Пиво при камнях в почках отзывы

Àâòîð: âåñòèìî 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 19:38

Îòêðûëà ýòó òåìó ïî ïðîñüáå çíàêîìîé. Åé êòî-òî ñêàçàë, ÷òî îò ïèâà ïîÿâëÿþòñÿ êàìíè â ïî÷êàõ. ß ñêàçàëà åé, ÷òî íåò, íî îíà ïîïðîñèëà óòî÷íèòü ýòîò âîïðîñ íà ôîðóìå. È âîîáùå, îò ÷åãî ìîãóò ïîÿâèòüñÿ êàìíè â ïî÷êàõ?

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Àâòîð: Õàâðîíèÿ 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 20:02

Ïèâî ñàìî ïî ñåáå íå ïðîâîöèðóåò îáðàçîâàíèå êàìíåé â ïî÷êàõ, íî îíî âðåäíî äëÿ ïî÷åê ñàìî ïî ñåáå — óâåëè÷èâàåò ðèñê ðàçâèòèÿ âîñïàëèòåëüíûõ çàáîëåâàíèé. À âîò íà ôîíå âîñïàëåíèÿ ïî÷åê ìîæåò íà÷àòüñÿ ïî÷å÷íîêàìåííàÿ áîëåçíü.
åñëè çíàêîìàÿ áîèòñÿ êàìíåé — ïóñòü ñäàñò îáùèé àíàëèç ìî÷è, ïî íåìó
ìîæíî îïðåäåëèòü, åñòü ëè â ïî÷êàõ ïåñîê èëè êàìåøêè, èëè íåò.

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Àâòîð: âåñòèìî 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 20:09

Íàâåðíîå ëþáîé àëêîãîëü âðåäåí äëÿ ïî÷åê, ò ê â í¸ì ñîäåðæàòñÿ âåùåñòâà, êîòîðûå ðàçäðàæàþò ñòåíêè ïî÷å÷íûõ êàíàëüöåâ.
Åñòü ìíåíèå, ÷òî ìèíåðàëêà ïðè äëèòåëüíîì óïîòðåáëåíèè ìîæåò âûçûâàòü êàìíè â ïî÷êàõ. Òàê ëè ýòî?×òî îïàñíåå: ïèâî èëè ìèíåðàëêà?

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Àâòîð: Cander
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 20:15

ó íàñ äûøàòü íûíåøíèì íàðóæíûì âîçäóõîì — óæå óâåëè÷èâàåò ðèñê ðàçâèòèÿ âîñïàëèòåëüíûõ çàáîëåâàíèé!

Ïèâî ñàìî ïî ñåáå íàîáîðîò òàêè ÿâëÿåòñÿ ìî÷åãîííûì ñðåäñòâîì è âåñü ïåñîê ñ ïî÷åê áóäåò ñòàðàòüñÿ âûìûâàòü.
Íî âîò åñòü îäíà íàïàñòü! Ëþäè íå ìîãóò ïèòü ïèâî ïðîñòî òàê! Êàê
ïðàâèëî ýòî ïèòèå ñîïðîâîæäàåòñÿ ñ îáèëüíûì ïîåäàíèå ðàçëè÷íûõ ñîëåíûõ è ñóøåíûõ ïðîäóêòîâ, êîòîðûå êàê ðàç â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü è ñïîñîáñòâóþò îáðàçîâàíèþ ïåñêà è êàìíåé!
òàê ÷òî ïóñòü îíà äóìàåò èëè ïðîñòî ïèâî èëè ïèâî ñ ñîëåíîñòÿìè.
Åñòü åùå îäèí íåãàòèâíûé ìîìåíò! Â íàðîäå áûòóåò òàêîå
îïðåäåëåíèå «Ïèâíîé Æèâîòèê». Êàê âû äóìàåòå, îò÷åãî ýòî îïðåäåëåíèå?

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Àâòîð: Õàâðîíèÿ 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 20:20

Íå â ëþáîì àëêîãîëå ñîäåðæàòñÿ ýòè âåùåñòâà. Â ïèâå — ñîäåðæàòñÿ.

Ïèâî êàæäûé äåíü îïàñíåå, ÷åì ìèíåðàëêà êàæäûé äåíü. È íå òîëüêî èç-çà âëèÿíèÿ íà ïî÷êè.

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Àâòîð: MaryLavo 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 20:21

äàê ñàìè æå íàïèñàëè:

äà è íå òîëüêî ñîëåíûõ-ñóøåíûõ… íî åùå è âñÿêîãî æèðíîãî æàðåíîãî è ïðî÷åé åðóíäû))))

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Àâòîð: igormail 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 20:22

Äëÿ ïðîèçâîäñòâà ïèâà, êàê ïðàâèëî èñïîëüçóþò âîäó èç ñêâàæèíû.  ýòîé âîäå ìíîãî ìèíåðàëüíûõ âåùåñòâ — êîòîðûå ìîãóò ïðîâîöèðîâàòü îáðàçîâàíèå êàìíåé â ïî÷êàõ.

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Àâòîð: Cander
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 20:54

íå ôàêò!
â ïîâåðõíîñòíîé âîäå ìèíåðàëüíûõ âåùåñòâ ãîðàçäî áîëüøå è âîäà ãîðàçäî ïîëåçíåå!

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Àâòîð: Cander
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 20:57

íó ÷òî çà æåñòêèå óòâåðæäåíèÿ!

ýòî âû âîí áàâàðöàì èëè ïðèáàëòàì ðàññêàæèòå!
âîò áóäåò êóðàì íàñìåõ!

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Àâòîð: *MarisaBelle* 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 21:07

Ïî-ìîåìó, ïèâî îïàñíî äëÿ ïî÷åê òåì, ÷òî ýòî ãàçèðîâàííûé íàïèòîê. Äàæå ìèíåðàëêó ñîâåòóþò ïèòü, âûïóñòèâ ãàçû èç áóòûëêè.

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Àâòîð: Õàâðîíèÿ 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 21:07

Îíè ÷àñòî òðàâÿòñÿ ìèíåðàëêîé????

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Àâòîð: Cander
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 21:25

âû ïðåêðàñíî ïîíèìàåòå, ÷òî ðå÷ü èäåò î Ïèâå!
âàñ ïîñëóøàòü òî ïèâî íå íàïèòîê, à ßä!
ÿ íå ñòîðîííèê ïèâà, íî è íå ïîíèìàþ ïîäîáíûõ âàøèì óòâåðæäåíèÿì, êîãäà ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå âçðîñëîå
íàñåëåíèå Åâðîïû ïîòðåáëÿåò ýòîò íàïèòîê è óñòðàèâàåò ôåñòèâàëè â åãî ÷åñòü!
È ÷òî æå ó íèõ íå ôèêñèðóþò ìåäèêè ïîãîëîâíî âîñïàëåíèå ïî÷åê?

[Ñîîáùåíèå èçìåíåíî ïîëüçîâàòåëåì 17.12.2009 21:37]

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Àâòîð: Cander
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 21:33

ïî÷åìó òî çàõîòåëîñü ïðîêîìåíòèðîâàòü.

äëÿ òîãî ÷òîá äàòü âàì ïðàâèëüíûé îòâåò íåîáõîäèìî îïðåäåëèòüñÿ ïðî êàêóþ
ìèíåðàëêó ìû òóò ãîâîðèì.
ìèíåðàëêè ðàçíûå! È ñîäåðæàíèå â íèõ ìèíåðàëîâ è ñîëåé òîæå ðàçíîå!
È ïîòîì, ÷òî èìååòñÿ â âèäó «äëèòåëüíîå óïîòðåáëåíèå»? ß ÷òî òî íå çíàþ ëþäåé êîòîðûå áû óïîòðåáëÿëè ìèíåðàëêó õîòÿ áû â ñðàâíåíèè ñ ïèâîì â îäèíàêîâûõ êîëè÷åñòâàõ. Áûòü ìîæåò âû çíàêîìû ñ
òàêèìè ëþäüìè.
Âàñ ÷òî â êîíöå êîíöîâ áåñïîêîèò?
Êàê âûìûòü ïåñîê ñ ïî÷åê èëè êàêèå íàïèòêè ìîæíî ïèòü ïðè íàëè÷èè ïåñêà â ïî÷êàõ?

ñêîðåé âñåãî
èç-çà íàðóøåííîãî îáìåíà âåùåñòâ. Íåäîñòàòî÷íîé ôóíêöèîíàëüíîñòüþ òîãî èëè èíîãî îðãàíà.
åñòü ëþäè êîòîðûå åäÿòü âñÿêèå ñîëåíîñòè è ïðî÷óþ ãàäîñòü è æèâóò áåç çàáîò! À äðóãîé ðÿäîì ñ íèì ìîæåò êîíå÷íî åñòü òàê æå à ìîæåò è íåò íî â ïî÷êàõ âûðàñòàþò êàìíè, îáðàçóåòñÿ ïåñîê.
Ïèâî ïèòü
õîðîøî, íî â ìåðó, ìèíåðàëêó òîæå íàäî ïèòü â ìåðó! Íè â ÷åì íå ñëåäóåò èçëèøåñòâîâàòü. Âîò êîãäà áóäåòå èçëèøåñòâîâàòü, âîò òîãäà ó âàñ è áóäóò ïðîèñõîäèòü íàðóøåíèÿ ôóíêöèîíàëüíîñòè îðãàíîâ…

âîîáùå òî òåìà òàêàÿ ôèëîñîôñêàÿ…

[Ñîîáùåíèå èçìåíåíî ïîëüçîâàòåëåì
17.12.2009 21:43]

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Àâòîð: Ñòàðèíà Áðþãåð 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 22:19

ìû íå äóìàåì, ìû ñëóøàåì
ãîâîðè óæå

ïî òåìå: åñëè áû áûëà ïðÿìàÿ çàâèñèìîñòü ïèâî-êàìíè, òî ó ìåíÿ ïî áîêàì áûëî áû äâà áóëûæíèêà

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Àâòîð: Deõàmeth 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 22:47

Ñóùåñòâóþò ïðÿìî ïðîòèâîïîëîæíûå òî÷êè çðåíèÿ…
Ê ïðèìåðó, â îäíîì èç èññëåäîâàíèé âëèÿíèÿ ðàçëè÷íûõ íàïèòêîâ íà ðèñê îáðàçîâàíèÿ êàìíåé â ïî÷êàõ áûëî ïîêàçàíî, ÷òî
ñàìûå «âðåäíûå» â ýòîì ïëàíå ÿáëî÷íûé è ãðåéïôðóòîâûé ñîê — ðèñê «êàìíåîáðàçîâàíèÿ» âîçðàñòàåò íà 35% è37% ñîîòâåòñòâåííî. Ïèâî ñíèæàåò ðèñê îáðàçîâàíèÿ êàìíåé íà 21%, ÷åìïèîíîì îêàçàëîñü âèíî (sic! ) — ðèñê ñíèæàåòñÿ íà öåëûõ 39%! (ýòî ïðè óñëîâèè åæåäíåâíîãî ïîòðåáëåíèÿ 240 ìë.
ñîîòâåòñòâóþùåãî íàïèòêà)
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Àáñòðàêò òóò:
Am J Epidemiol. 1996 Feb 1

Prospective study of beverage use and the risk of kidney stones.
Curhan GC, Willett WC, Rimm EB, Spiegelman D, Stampfer MJ.

Department of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA 02115, USA.

Patients with kidney stones are routinely advised to increase their fluid intake to decrease the risk of stone recurrence. However, there has been no detailed examination to determine whether the
effect on recurrence varies by the type of beverage consumed. The authors conducted a prospective study of the relation between the intake of 21 different beverages and the risk of symptomatic kidney stones in a cohort of 45,289 men, 40-75 years of age, who had no history of kidney stones. Beverage
use and other dietary information was measured by means of a semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire in 1986. During 6 years of follow-up (242,100 person-years), 753 incident cases of kidney stones were documented. After adjusting simultaneously for age, dietary intake of calcium, animal
protein and potassium, thiazide use, geographic region, profession, and total fluid intake, consumption of specific beverages significantly added to the prediction of kidney stone risk (p < 0.001). After mutually adjusting for the intake of other beverages, the risk of stone formation decreased
by the following amount for each 240-ml (8-oz) serving consumed daily: caffeinated coffee, 10% (95% confidence interval 4-15%); decaffeinated coffee, 10% (3-16%); tea, 14% (5-22%); beer, 21% (12-30%); and wine, 39% (10-58%). For each 240-ml serving consumed daily, the risk of stone formation
increased by 35% (4-75%) for apple juice and 37% (1-85%) for grapefruit juice. The authors conclude that beverage type may have an effect on stone formation that involves more than additional fluid intake alone.
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Àâòîð: Øàðëü Ëàòýí (îãðàíè÷åíèå 16+) 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 22:58

Îæèðåíèå ïî æåíñêîìó òèïó ó ìóæ÷èí.

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Àâòîð: öåðåðà 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:02

Ïèâî î÷åíü õîðîøî ïîâðåæäàåò ïå÷åíü,è áîëüøàÿ íàãðóçêà íà ïî÷êè.

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Àâòîð: Deõàmeth 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:08

Êõì.. âîîáùå òî, îáùåïðèíÿòûì ìíåíèåì ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî äëÿ îæèðåíèÿ ïî «æåíñêîìó òèïó» õàðàêòåðíûå æèðîâûå îòëîæåíèÿ íà ïåðèôåðèè — ãðóäü, áåäðà è ÿãîäèöû…
Äëÿ ìóæèêîâ (åñëè îíè
íàñòîÿùèå! ) êàê ðàç õàðàêòåðíî öåíòðàëüíîå îòëîæåíèå æèðà — æèâîò…
Îò ïèâà ó «ìóæèêîâ» òèòüêè ðàñòóò

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Àâòîð: Deõàmeth 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:10

Óòî÷íèòå, ñêîëüêî íóæíî âûïèòü ïèâà, ÷òî áû «õîðîøî» ïîâðåäèòü ïå÷åíü è ñèëüíî íàãðóçèòü ïî÷êè

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Àâòîð: öåðåðà 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:13

ÍÓ êîíå÷íî íå îäèí ðàç. ÂÑå èíäèâèäóàëüíî.,÷åì êðåï÷å îðãàíèçì, òåì äîëüøå ïüþò, ïîêà íåçàáîëèò.

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Àâòîð: Deõàmeth 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:15

Çàïèñàë

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Àâòîð: öåðåðà 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:17

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Àâòîð: Cander
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:19

îäèí ðàç = ñêîëüêî ëèòðîâ????

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Àâòîð: öåðåðà 
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:21

ÏÎêà íåëîïíèòå.

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Àâòîð: Cander
Äàòà:   17 äåêàáðÿ 2009 23:22

íå çíàþ òàêîãî ìåòðè÷åñêîãî îáúåìà ìåð?

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